{"id":278568,"date":"2025-05-09T17:36:03","date_gmt":"2025-05-09T15:36:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/?p=278568"},"modified":"2025-05-09T17:36:05","modified_gmt":"2025-05-09T15:36:05","slug":"en-inde-un-rafale-a-t-il-ete-detruit-au-combat-hypotheses-sur-loperation-sindoor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/09\/en-inde-un-rafale-a-t-il-ete-detruit-au-combat-hypotheses-sur-loperation-sindoor\/","title":{"rendered":"En Inde, un Rafale a-t-il \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9truit au combat&#160;? Hypoth\u00e8ses sur l\u2019op\u00e9ration Sindoor"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Dans la nuit du 6 au 7 mai, <a href=\"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/07\/le-pakistan-revendique-avoir-detruit-5-avions-de-chasse-indiens-dont-3-rafale-au-cours-de-lattaque-de-new-delhi-linde-qualifie-ces-propos-de-desinformation\/\">l\u2019Inde a lanc\u00e9 des frappes a\u00e9riennes cibl\u00e9es<\/a> sur au moins neuf camps terroristes situ\u00e9s au Pakistan et au Cachemire sous contr\u00f4le pakistanais, en r\u00e9ponse \u00e0 un attentat meurtrier survenu \u00e0 Pahalgam le 22 avril et \u00e0 <a href=\"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/04\/30\/linde-est-elle-sur-le-point-de-mener-des-actions-militaires-au-pakistan\/\">la crise g\u00e9opolitique qui s&rsquo;en est suivie<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Cette op\u00e9ration, baptis\u00e9e \u00ab&#160;Sindoor&#160;\u00bb, a mobilis\u00e9 des avions de plusieurs mod\u00e8les&#160;: des Rafale, Mirage 2000 et possiblement des Soukho\u00ef Su-30MKI, arm\u00e9s de missiles de croisi\u00e8re SCALP-EG&nbsp;<span class='whitespace-nowrap'><span id='easy-footnote-1-278568' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/09\/en-inde-un-rafale-a-t-il-ete-detruit-au-combat-hypotheses-sur-loperation-sindoor\/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-278568' title='Acronyme de&amp;#160;: \u00ab&amp;#160;Syst\u00e8me de croisi\u00e8re conventionnel autonome \u00e0 longue port\u00e9e \u2014 d\u2019emploi g\u00e9n\u00e9ral&amp;#160;\u00bb.'><sup>1<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/span> avec plus de 250 km de port\u00e9e et de bombes guid\u00e9es (Armement air-sol modulaire ou Hammer), allant jusqu\u2019\u00e0 70 km&nbsp;<span class='whitespace-nowrap'><span id='easy-footnote-2-278568' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/09\/en-inde-un-rafale-a-t-il-ete-detruit-au-combat-hypotheses-sur-loperation-sindoor\/#easy-footnote-bottom-2-278568' title='\u00ab&amp;#160;&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/www.indiatoday.in\/india\/story\/operation-sindoor-india-weapons-scalp-missiles-hammer-bombs-rafale-jets-pakistan-2720742-2025-05-07?utm_source=chatgpt.com&quot;&gt;Scalp, Hammer&amp;#160;: Why these were India&amp;rsquo;s weapons of choice to hit Pak terror camps&lt;\/a&gt;&amp;#160;\u00bb, &lt;em&gt;India Today&lt;\/em&gt;, 7 mai 2025.'><sup>2<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/span>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Les frappes ont \u00e9t\u00e9 men\u00e9es depuis l\u2019espace a\u00e9rien indien, avec l\u2019objectif de cibler le territoire pakistanais tout en \u00e9vitant une confrontation directe et en profitant de l\u2019avantage qualitatif de New Delhi dans le domaine a\u00e9rien.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"iframe-container wp-block-image wp-block-image-medium  iframe-dw\">\n\t<div>\n\t\t<iframe class=\"absolute w-full h-full pin-t pin-l\" title=\"titolo\" aria-label=\"Interactive line chart\" src=\"\/\/datawrapper.dwcdn.net\/xnORM\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Sur fond d\u2019une guerre informationnelle, alors que l\u2019Inde continue \u00e0 nier toute perte, plusieurs \u00e9l\u00e9ments pointent en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 vers <a href=\"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/07\/le-pakistan-revendique-avoir-detruit-5-avions-de-chasse-indiens-dont-3-rafale-au-cours-de-lattaque-de-new-delhi-linde-qualifie-ces-propos-de-desinformation\/\">la destruction d\u2019au moins un avion indien<\/a>, probablement un Rafale, et d\u2019au moins un autre avion de fabrication russe \u2014 plusieurs d\u00e9bris de composants a\u00e9ronautiques ayant \u00e9t\u00e9 retrouv\u00e9s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Selon <em>CNN<\/em>, une source fran\u00e7aise de renseignement aurait confirm\u00e9 la perte d\u2019un Rafale&nbsp;<span class='whitespace-nowrap'><span id='easy-footnote-3-278568' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/09\/en-inde-un-rafale-a-t-il-ete-detruit-au-combat-hypotheses-sur-loperation-sindoor\/#easy-footnote-bottom-3-278568' title='Saskya Vandoorne, \u00ab&amp;#160;&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/world\/live-news\/india-pakistan-attack-kashmir-tourists-intl-hnk#cmadq2i4j00003b6tu7krhsys&quot;&gt;French official says Pakistan downed Rafale jet as officials examine possible further losses&lt;\/a&gt;&amp;#160;\u00bb, &lt;em&gt;CNN&lt;\/em&gt;, 7 mai 2025.'><sup>3<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/span>. Il s\u2019agirait, si cette information \u00e9tait av\u00e9r\u00e9e, du premier Rafale abattu en op\u00e9ration depuis son entr\u00e9e en service en 2002.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Deux responsables am\u00e9ricains cit\u00e9s par <em>Reuters <\/em>jeudi 8 mai confirment eux aussi la perte \u00ab&#160;d\u2019au moins&#160;\u00bb deux appareils de l\u2019arm\u00e9e indienne&nbsp;<span class='whitespace-nowrap'><span id='easy-footnote-4-278568' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/09\/en-inde-un-rafale-a-t-il-ete-detruit-au-combat-hypotheses-sur-loperation-sindoor\/#easy-footnote-bottom-4-278568' title='Saeed Shah et Idrees Ali, \u00ab&amp;#160;&lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/pakistans-chinese-made-jet-brought-down-two-indian-fighter-aircraft-us-officials-2025-05-08\/&quot;&gt;Pakistan&amp;rsquo;s Chinese-made jet brought down two Indian fighter aircraft, US officials say&lt;\/a&gt;&amp;#160;\u00bb, &lt;em&gt;Reuters&lt;\/em&gt;, 8 mai 2025.'><sup>4<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/span>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Des photos publi\u00e9es sur les r\u00e9seaux sociaux montrent des d\u00e9bris retrouv\u00e9s en territoire indien, \u00e0 plus de 100 km de la fronti\u00e8re, ce qui exclut <em>a priori <\/em>une perte due \u00e0 une d\u00e9fense anti-a\u00e9rienne au sol.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Des fragments identifi\u00e9s d\u2019un missile air-air de fabrication chinoise (PL-15E) \u00e0 longue port\u00e9e (environ 145 km) ont \u00e9t\u00e9 retrouv\u00e9s en Inde.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Selon Fabian Rene Hoffmann de l&rsquo;Universit\u00e9 d&rsquo;Oslo, qui a consacr\u00e9 une \u00e9tude largement comment\u00e9e au sujet&nbsp;<span class='whitespace-nowrap'><span id='easy-footnote-5-278568' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/05\/09\/en-inde-un-rafale-a-t-il-ete-detruit-au-combat-hypotheses-sur-loperation-sindoor\/#easy-footnote-bottom-5-278568' title='Fabian Hoffmann, &lt;a href=&quot;https:\/\/missilematters.substack.com\/p\/operation-sindoor-indian-air-strikes&quot;&gt;Operation Sindoor&amp;#160;: Indian Air Strikes and Pakistani Air Defenses&lt;\/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Missile Matters&lt;\/em&gt;, 7 mai 2025.'><sup>5<\/sup><\/a><\/span><\/span>, le sc\u00e9nario le plus probable serait le suivant&#160;:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Le missile PL-15E lanc\u00e9 depuis un chasseur pakistanais de fabrication chinoise (Chengdu J-10) aurait touch\u00e9 le Rafale peu apr\u00e8s le d\u00e9but de sa mission.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Le PL-15E est guid\u00e9 par radar actif et peut \u00eatre assist\u00e9 par des avions radar (AWACS), comme le Saab 2000 Erieye dont le Pakistan dispose.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Ce type de missile est con\u00e7u pour neutraliser des avions ennemis avant qu\u2019ils ne puissent r\u00e9agir.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Il s\u2019agit d\u2019un affrontement de guerre \u00e9lectronique, opposant le syst\u00e8me de d\u00e9fense SPECTRA du Rafale aux algorithmes du missile chinois.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"iframe-container wp-block-image wp-block-image-medium  iframe-dw\">\n\t<div>\n\t\t<iframe class=\"absolute w-full h-full pin-t pin-l\" title=\"titolo\" aria-label=\"Interactive line chart\" src=\"\/\/datawrapper.dwcdn.net\/n9k9R\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Est-ce la fin de l\u2019\u00e8re de la supr\u00e9matie a\u00e9rienne&#160;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>C\u2019est ce que pense <a href=\"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/p\/jean-dominique-merchet\/\">Jean-Dominique Merchet<\/a>&#160;: \u00ab&#160;L&rsquo;\u00e8re de la supr\u00e9matie a\u00e9rienne est derri\u00e8re nous, tous les aviateurs occidentaux le savent. Reste \u00e0 maintenir la sup\u00e9riorit\u00e9 a\u00e9rienne (localis\u00e9e et temporaire) sans trop de pertes&#8230;&#160;\u00bb<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Une source militaire fran\u00e7aise consult\u00e9e par la revue ajoute toutefois ces \u00e9l\u00e9ments&#160;: \u00ab&#160;La supr\u00e9matie a\u00e9rienne, depuis toujours, il n&rsquo;y a presque que les \u00c9tats-Unis qui peuvent l&rsquo;atteindre, parce qu&rsquo;ils ont la panoplie a\u00e9rienne compl\u00e8te (surtout des avions furtifs).&#160;\u00bb<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u00ab&#160;Dans le sch\u00e9ma <em>Desert Storm<\/em>, on commence par des salves de missiles \u00e0 tr\u00e8s longue port\u00e9e pour d\u00e9sactiver les syst\u00e8mes de d\u00e9fense a\u00e9rienne fixes. Puis les bombardiers furtifs entrent en jeu pour terminer le travail. Seulement ensuite entrent en action les avions conventionnels pour le gros des frappes, avec des appareils sp\u00e9cifiquement d\u00e9di\u00e9s \u00e0 la suppression des d\u00e9fenses a\u00e9riennes ennemies et \u00e0 la guerre \u00e9lectronique.&#160;\u00bb<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Alors que nous pourrions \u00eatre en train d\u2019assister \u00e0 <a href=\"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2025\/01\/28\/laffaire-deepseek-et-le-futur-de-lia-une-conversation-avec-gary-marcus\/\">une nouvelle preuve du rattrapage technologique chinois<\/a> cette fois-ci dans le domaine militaire, cet \u00e9v\u00e9nement pourrait marquer la fin de l\u2019invuln\u00e9rabilit\u00e9 symbolique du Rafale \u2014 en ouvrant une autre question&#160;: \u00ab&#160;Si on veut aller un cran plus loin, les ambitions de Dassault de faire cavalier seul en mati\u00e8re a\u00e9rienne en Europe en prennent un coup&#160;\u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>\u00ab&#160;Dans le narratif de Dassault, le Rafale parviendrait \u00e0 tout faire avec un seul avion. Certains disent que, du coup, il fait tout mal&#8230; Sans aller jusque-l\u00e0, ce qui est s\u00fbr, c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;il n&rsquo;est pas furtif, et donc qu&rsquo;il reste vuln\u00e9rable aux armes anti-a\u00e9riennes (sol-air et air-air).&#160;\u00bb<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u00ab&#160;L\u2019une des affirmations \u00e9tait notamment que le kit de guerre \u00e9lectronique SPECTRA suffisait \u00e0 prot\u00e9ger les Rafales dans un environnement a\u00e9rien contest\u00e9. On voit l\u00e0 que ce n&rsquo;est pas aussi simple.&#160;\u00bb<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Cet \u00e9pisode soulignerait plus largement la d\u00e9pendance strat\u00e9gique des arm\u00e9es de l\u2019air nationales vis-\u00e0-vis des \u00c9tats-Unis, en fragilisant les ambitions d\u2019autonomie technologique de Dassault, qui \u00e9tait jusqu\u2019ici pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 comme un \u00ab&#160;cavalier seul&#160;\u00bb au niveau europ\u00e9en.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Il semble de plus en plus vraisemblable qu\u2019un avion de chasse Rafale de l\u2019Indian Air Force (IAF) vendu par Paris \u00e0 New Delhi ait \u00e9t\u00e9 abattu par l\u2019arm\u00e9e pakistanaise dans la nuit du 6 au 7 mai 2025.<\/p>\n<p>Si l\u2019information est confirm\u00e9e, il s\u2019agirait de la premi\u00e8re perte au combat d\u2019un Rafale depuis son entr\u00e9e en service en 2002.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2622,"featured_media":278572,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"templates\/post-briefings.php","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_trash_the_other_posts":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1732],"tags":[],"staff":[],"editorial_format":[],"serie":[],"audience":[],"geo":[530],"class_list":["post-278568","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-guerre","geo-asie-intermediaire"],"acf":{"open_in_webview":false,"accent":false},"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.1.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>En Inde, un Rafale a-t-il \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9truit au combat ? 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